Simon Sinek: Why Not Just Do More Good?

By Carla Kalogeridis and Kathryn Deen

The unshakable optimist, the why guy — whatever comes to mind when you think of Simon Sinek — our exclusive interview provides fresh insight from this wildly popular leadership author, speaker, and founder.

Real Leaders: You had a milestone birthday last year. How did you feel about turning 50, and was this one hard for you?

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Simon Sinek: I’m not a big birthday person. I don’t like being the center of attention and wasn’t planning on doing anything, but my friends said I had to, so I threw them a party. I knew there were six other guests who also had milestone birthdays that year, and so when it was cake time, I had six additional cakes with their names and ages on them because why should I be the only person who celebrates my milestone? 

RL: We have a special section in this edition about executive coaches. Have you ever had a coach? 

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Sinek: I have had a coach. I’m a great believer in having a coach. Finding a coach is like finding a partner. It’s got to be somebody who gets you, and there’s got to be a good personality match. You might need a couple sessions to figure that out, and it can be hard. I don’t understand how people in senior positions think they don’t need it. Professional athletes think they need it — how are we the exception?

Maybe because we can’t see our swing. We have blind spots, and sometimes it’s good to talk through a problem with a dispassionate person who’s not involved. Most of the conversations we have are with coworkers who are quite passionate about the decisions we make.

RL: What leadership blind spots are you noticing these days?

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Sinek: Most leaders think they’re good listeners. It’s hilarious. Also, people get promoted, and they forget that a whisper becomes a shout. A little offhanded “way to go” could make someone’s week, but an offhanded “that wasn’t very good work” could destroy someone’s confidence. Learning how to manage that is very, very difficult for leaders.

I’ll tell you one funny story. I was having a photo shoot, and we started pretty early. I asked what time lunch was, and they said 1 o’clock. I said, “Can we get the food in here at noon? I’m kind of hungry.” So they got it in at noon, no big deal. Then we had another shoot and we started pretty late, like 10 a.m., and the food came at noon. I was like, “Why is the food here so early?” And I found out in the background that when they were making the schedule, someone said, “Simon insists on having the food at noon,” which, of course, is nonsense.

Self-awareness is one of the biggest blind spots. Actually, self-awareness is a misnomer — self-awareness is situational awareness. When you’re sitting in a meeting, do you know that you’re talking too much? Well, you won’t know that unless you see people in the room trying to speak but you keep interrupting them. You learn self-awareness by honing the skill of situational awareness — in other words, paying attention to the room.

Another leadership blind spot is asking for people’s advice after you’ve already given your opinion. That’s a big one. I would classify that under listening skills. 

RL: You do quite a bit of keynote speaking and ranked No. 2 on the Real Leaders Top Keynote Speakers list for the last two years. How does speaking relate to your why? 

Sinek: My why is to inspire people to do the things that inspire them, so together, each of us can change our world for the better. I’m agnostic as to how I deliver that message. It happened by accident that I became a speaker, but clearly, it fulfills the why. For many years, I thought of myself spreading my message as a preacher. I was spreading a gospel of the way business should work. It made perfect sense. It’s not the only way I can spread my message, but it certainly has been a good one for me. 

RL: How do you give your audience goosebumps?

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Sinek: That’s an underappreciated skill, which is the art of storytelling. When most people speak, they make it about themselves. “Let me tell you how great I am. Let me tell you about all my accomplishments.” There’s some ulterior motive — buy my book, buy my product, subscribe.

The way you connect with an audience is you have no ulterior motive other than to serve. I don’t ever think I’m right. I think I have a point of view, and I’m there to share it. I’m not looking for people to agree with me. I’m looking to offer an invitation. One of the reasons I connect with an audience is because I’m genuinely there as an act of service. I’m there for them. I’ve always had that mindset. Before I go on stage, I’ll mutter out loud to myself under my breath, “You’re here to give,” just to remind myself. It’s wonderful.

RL: Would impact company leaders benefit from seeing themselves as preachers of their cause?

Sinek: The simple answer is of course, but frequently saying that you’re an impact company is preaching to the converted, and it can potentially alienate the unconverted. Don’t talk about it so much — just do it. Just be impact, right? 

To constantly say you’re an impact company is about self-aggrandizing. It’s virtue signaling for the people who are already in the club. If you’re truly an impact person, your responsibility is to invite people who are not already in the club and to find the language, methods, and systems that are an invite rather than an attempt to convince or shame. Just do the good work, and then you’ll reach the cause that you’re preaching. Find the language that invites as many people as possible.

I don’t use the words vision or mission or cause or purpose. I use the term why. I found new language that reinforced those who already believed but that invited people who weren’t sure to take a look. The only way a movement can move is with new people.

RL: After the murder of George Floyd, you started a nonprofit called The Curve to support better leadership in policing. Why did that particular incident resonate with you so deeply?

Sinek: Multiple reasons. It’s a profoundly human problem caused by humans, and the impact is on humans. It is largely a leadership and culture problem. Yes, policing has issues in training and hiring, and those are symptomatic of the leadership and culture problems that policing suffers from. If you look at the advances in leadership theory, the military is way ahead of most corporations when it comes to embracing new ideas, but policing is about 20 years behind. Though often well-intentioned, outside pressures and legislative fixes either flat out won’t work or will have a short-term or minor impact without completely changing the culture of policing, which is what’s needed.

The only way to do it is from the inside out. I was drawn to it because it’s an unbelievably complex human problem, which interests me. I like very difficult things. And there’s already plenty of people looking for the cure for cancer. There weren’t enough people who were doing this except as outsiders looking in.

RL: You are known for being unshakably optimistic, but is a little pessimism helpful for leaders? 

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Sinek: Let’s first define optimism, which is not blind, nor is it naive positivity where you’re saying everything’s fine, everything’s good — that’s dangerous. Optimism is the undying belief that the future is bright. It allows for darkness, it allows for difficulty, it allows for frustration, it allows for anger, it allows for pessimism. But fundamentally, it is the undying belief that even if it’s a difficult time now, if we work together, we will get through this and come out stronger.

I’m cynical very often. I can be grumpy, I can be judgy, but that doesn’t affect the fact that I fundamentally believe the future is bright. 

RL: Leaders are often deeply devoted to their causes. Talk a little about your concept of cause blindness and how they can avoid that pitfall.

Sinek: We are living in leaderless times. There seems to be a distinct lack of idealism in the world. Our presidents don’t talk of world peace anymore. Go back a few years and world leaders like Ronald Reagan and John F. Kennedy literally talked about peace on earth in their inaugurations. Being driven by a higher calling is very important to inspire people and instill trust, loyalty, and innovation. 

We’re very short-termist these days. We’re driven by short-term growth or short-term impact investor pressures, and a large part of it is because of the loss of idealism.

One of the things that prevents and insulates you from cause blindness is idealism because you’re looking so far ahead to advancing a cause that is for all practical purposes unrealizable. World peace is not realistic, but it is inspiring, and we can take steps toward it. Cause blindness tends to be when we become sheltered and looking down and can’t see the forest for the trees. When you look up at the grand vision, it actually makes you more awake. 

RL: What about your term ethical fading? How can leaders make sure that ethical fading doesn’t creep in to their businesses?

Sinek: We’re all susceptible to ethical fading, and this is where strong leadership and strong culture inoculate you — if you have a truly just cause and are not simply driven by short-term financial gains. You must also spend the time to build strong teams where there’s psychological safety, and if you do these things, you are inoculated from ethical fading.

In any company, people will have stupid, unethical ideas. We all do. But in a good company, someone will go, “We’re not going to do that.” It’s not the generation of the idea; it’s whether the idea gets implemented or not. Ethical fading happens with poor leadership and an incentive structure that rewards short-termism. Good leadership and good incentive structures are the antidote.

RL: You talk about the importance of having worthy rivals, not competitors. What have you learned from making that mindset shift? 

Sinek: This is one of the most magical mindset changes that somebody can make, and it’s so easy to do. 

You’re going to learn so much by being grateful for those who do things better than you rather than trying to undermine or compete or put them down. You become more like, “Damn. They’re good.” And it makes you better because they become pacers that push you harder, right? You’ll find solutions to problems that you’ve been struggling with from a worthy rival. It makes you much more self-confident and relaxed and better at what you do. You are less distracted by the silliness of creating fake competitions where there are no finish lines.

RL: How have you implemented this mindset in your organization?

Sinek: It’s become a practice that when we’re working on something, someone will ask, “Who’s the worthy rival on this?” and we’ll go find the best of breed, the people who are more experienced, way better, and really innovative. 

RL: How does your concept of infinite-mindedness impact leadership?

Sinek: It depends where in the pecking order you are. If you’re at the top of the pecking order, you know that having just causes is really where it starts, and then adjusting the incentive structures to ensure that you and your people are building an infinite-minded company.

If you’re just in the organization, you have no say over the incentive structures or setting the vision. But you can come to work every day to be the leader you wish you had and to ensure that the people with whom you work go home every day feeling inspired, safe, and fulfilled. Infinite-mindedness is: “How do I help the people around me rise?” They’ll become better versions of themselves because I worked with them and because they worked with me.

That mindset has a massive impact on someone because you find yourself in service, which is ultimately what an infinite mindset is.

RL: As a trained ethnographer, you’ve discovered patterns about how the best leaders and organizations thrive. What are the prominent patterns you’re seeing today?

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Sinek: The big one — and I don’t say it explicitly, but all my work touches on it — is this idea of human skills. Cats don’t have to work very hard to be good at being a cat, but it turns out that people have to work pretty hard to be good at being human. We are not good listeners. We are not good at giving or receiving feedback. We’re not good at having difficult conversations, and the list goes on. The biggest pattern I’ve seen is that to be human takes work, and those who do the work become better human beings, better leaders, better friends, better spouses, better sons, better daughters, better parents.

It doesn’t matter where we learn it. If you learn to be a better listener because your relationship is struggling, you’ll bring that skill set to work. At work, we can teach people how to be better listeners because we want them to cooperate better. And then, you’ll bring that skill set home to your relationships and to your parenting because the skills are the skills. They don’t teach human skills in business school, and I think companies have the opportunity to pick up the slack.

Companies that teach human skills tend to outperform the companies that don’t. And though it’s hard to measure, I would venture a guess that companies that double down on teaching those things, I bet the people who work for them have lower divorce rates, their kids do better at school, and they have lower rates of cancer and diabetes and things like that, which are all stress-related disorders.

There are a lot of good reasons to hone our human skills. All my work is in some way, shape, or form talking about human skills. Notice I don’t use the term soft skills. I hate the term soft skills. Hard and soft are opposites, and these are not opposite skills. Hard skills I need to do my job. Human skills I need to be a better human. And I need both those things to excel in life and at work.

RL: You implemented an agreement with your friends during the COVID pandemic that none of you would cry alone. When it comes to leadership, is there anything that just has to be done alone?

Sinek: Accountability. Ultimately, if you’re the leader, the buck stops somewhere, and if a decision is made and it goes wrong, you can’t cast blame if someone on your team made the decision and you trusted that they could. You have to support them in the difficulty of repairing whatever that bad decision was. We’re not talking about negligence here. We’re talking about someone just made a bad call. Accountability is a solo affair. Everything else can be shared. Joy and congratulations can always be shared. I would never do that alone.

We see lack of accountability a lot. When people say, “The lawyer said we can’t do that,” what they’re really saying is, “I won’t take accountability for the decision that needs to be made because of the risk associated with it.” Lawyers don’t make decisions. Lawyers advise on risk. My lawyers tell me that I can’t do things all the time, and I say, “Tell me what the risks are,” and then I’ll either do it or not because I think it’s worth the risk or not. But ultimately, it’s my decision. Anybody who pushes that off is becoming a refugee from accountability.

RL: Your last book came out in 2019, and it’s 2024…

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Sinek: You sound like my publisher.

RL: When are we going to see your next book? What will it be about?


Sinek: I’m working on a book about friendship. There’s an entire industry to help us be better leaders. There’s an entire industry to help us be better parents. There’s an entire industry to help us eat better, work out better, sleep better. Yet there’s precious little to help us be better friends.

If you look at all the challenges we face in the world today, and with anxiety and depression and suicide on the rise — even our obsession with longevity — friendship is the ultimate biohack. If you learn to be a good friend, you live longer, you’re healthier, you’re less susceptible to addiction. It is the greatest thing in the world, and yet there’s so little that teaches us how to be good friends. I’ve really become quite obsessed with what it means to be a friend.

The number of us who prioritize work over friendship because our friends will understand when we cancel on them is really gross. Your work will never be there for you in hard times. Your work’s not going to save you, but your friends will. Nobody calls their work ride or die.

So many of us think we’re a good friend, but if you really peel the onion back a little bit, are you sooner to cancel on a friend for a meeting, or would you postpone a meeting for a friend? Do you know how to be there for someone when they’re struggling, or do you just try and fix their problems? Do you know how to listen to someone so that they feel heard? If a friend’s depressed, do you tell them to buck up, or do you go to their house, get into bed with them, eat ice cream, watch movies all day, and be depressed with them so that they don’t feel alone in that space?

We all have a lot to learn about how to be a better friend, so I’m writing that book with my friend Will Guidara, who wrote Unreasonable Hospitality.

RL: Can you expand on how being a better friend makes you a better leader?

Sinek: Friendship is scalable, right? Being a better leader doesn’t necessarily make you a better friend, but being a better friend definitely makes you a better leader. It is the only truly scalable skill. Being a better dad doesn’t necessarily make you a better friend, but being a better friend makes you a better dad.

RL: Are you good at friendship? Or is it a self-identified weakness that led you down this journey?

Sinek: Like everybody, I thought I was a good friend, but I still have some stuff that I’m learning. I’ll give you an example. I thought I was a great listener — until I took a listening class. I learned that I am an absolutely fantastic listener with people I will never see again for the rest of my life, but with my friends, I was appalling. When my friends would say, “You’re such a bad listener,” I’d be like, “Do you know what I do for a living?” Turns out I was crap. I was useless. And so I called my friend and said, “Remember when you told me I’m a bad listener? Turns out you were right.”

There’s a lot to learn. I’m definitely a better friend now than I have been in the past because I am learning more about human skills. Managing a friendship is difficult and requires a lot of intentionality. 

RL: Circling back to that big birthday, how would you characterize your first 50 years? How do you envision your next 50?

Sinek: It’s all a magical journey. I’m in life for the fun of it. Some of it is easy, some of it is hard, some of it is clear, some of it is foggy. But all of it goes better when I do it with others. “Remember that time…” is a much more fun conversation than, “Let me tell you what I did.”

And any kind of stress is endurable with others around us. It’s a journey with others. We all make the mistake sometimes of forgetting that we are surrounded by people who love us. They’re there to help us if we just ask. So the first 50 years has been learning those lessons, quite frankly, that I’m not alone. It’s OK to ask for help. It’s OK to accept it. It doesn’t make me dumb or weak. In fact, it makes me stronger. It makes me more confident. It makes me more grateful, more humble.

The next part of my life, however long it is, is the joy of getting to live with purpose, to take all those lessons and actually do it all. 

RL: What’s your message for the Real Leaders community?

Sinek: The best thing that this audience has is each other. I hope they spend time in this community without their phones, without their computers, without their emails. I hope they talk to each other about what works and doesn’t work.

I cannot emphasize enough the value of community when doing something difficult and bucking the system of how capitalism has worked for the past 30–40 years. It’s the status quo that is working against us. And even though it’s trendy for every company now to have a purpose on their website, go compare the decisions they make to the statements on their websites, and in many cases it’s just marketing. How are you treating your employees? You can’t call yourself an impact company and not practice good leadership or learn good leadership or teach your people good leadership. 

Just go do the good work. Do the work that demonstrates the impact that you’re having because the people who want to come work for you in this new generation of employees, they care about that stuff.

RL: What companies are your gold standard when it comes to leadership and impact?

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Sinek: I love Patagonia. They demonstrate it in their bottom line. They demonstrate it in the way they treat people. They demonstrate it in the way they talk about the impact they’re having on the communities in which they operate. They don’t use any euphemisms — they just do it. They just get it done, and they’re open, and they’re accountable. They still do damage, and they don’t recycle everything, and they’re super honest about it. We should copy their model.

Airbnb is also pretty good, and Brian Chesky is open about being an infinite-minded company. All of them have work to do. None of them are perfect. They all have blind spots. They all have pressures. But the way that Airbnb treated its people during COVID when they had to have layoffs was a model of how to do it. They were so generous. They set up a page on their website and uploaded everybody’s resume who lost their job, and the day they got laid off, you could hire them. That’s so much more than just saying, “We care about our people.” This is a company that even cared about them after they let them go. They didn’t just let them go — they helped them land on their feet. That, to me, is impact. 

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Simon Sinek: Why Not Just Do More Good?

By Carla Kalogeridis and Kathryn Deen

The unshakable optimist, the why guy — whatever comes to mind when you think of Simon Sinek — our exclusive interview provides fresh insight from this wildly popular leadership author, speaker, and founder.

Real Leaders: You had a milestone birthday last year. How did you feel about turning 50, and was this one hard for you?

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Simon Sinek: I’m not a big birthday person. I don’t like being the center of attention and wasn’t planning on doing anything, but my friends said I had to, so I threw them a party. I knew there were six other guests who also had milestone birthdays that year, and so when it was cake time, I had six additional cakes with their names and ages on them because why should I be the only person who celebrates my milestone? 

RL: We have a special section in this edition about executive coaches. Have you ever had a coach? 

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Sinek: I have had a coach. I’m a great believer in having a coach. Finding a coach is like finding a partner. It’s got to be somebody who gets you, and there’s got to be a good personality match. You might need a couple sessions to figure that out, and it can be hard. I don’t understand how people in senior positions think they don’t need it. Professional athletes think they need it — how are we the exception?

Maybe because we can’t see our swing. We have blind spots, and sometimes it’s good to talk through a problem with a dispassionate person who’s not involved. Most of the conversations we have are with coworkers who are quite passionate about the decisions we make.

RL: What leadership blind spots are you noticing these days?

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Sinek: Most leaders think they’re good listeners. It’s hilarious. Also, people get promoted, and they forget that a whisper becomes a shout. A little offhanded “way to go” could make someone’s week, but an offhanded “that wasn’t very good work” could destroy someone’s confidence. Learning how to manage that is very, very difficult for leaders.

I’ll tell you one funny story. I was having a photo shoot, and we started pretty early. I asked what time lunch was, and they said 1 o’clock. I said, “Can we get the food in here at noon? I’m kind of hungry.” So they got it in at noon, no big deal. Then we had another shoot and we started pretty late, like 10 a.m., and the food came at noon. I was like, “Why is the food here so early?” And I found out in the background that when they were making the schedule, someone said, “Simon insists on having the food at noon,” which, of course, is nonsense.

Self-awareness is one of the biggest blind spots. Actually, self-awareness is a misnomer — self-awareness is situational awareness. When you’re sitting in a meeting, do you know that you’re talking too much? Well, you won’t know that unless you see people in the room trying to speak but you keep interrupting them. You learn self-awareness by honing the skill of situational awareness — in other words, paying attention to the room.

Another leadership blind spot is asking for people’s advice after you’ve already given your opinion. That’s a big one. I would classify that under listening skills. 

RL: You do quite a bit of keynote speaking and ranked No. 2 on the Real Leaders Top Keynote Speakers list for the last two years. How does speaking relate to your why? 

Sinek: My why is to inspire people to do the things that inspire them, so together, each of us can change our world for the better. I’m agnostic as to how I deliver that message. It happened by accident that I became a speaker, but clearly, it fulfills the why. For many years, I thought of myself spreading my message as a preacher. I was spreading a gospel of the way business should work. It made perfect sense. It’s not the only way I can spread my message, but it certainly has been a good one for me. 

RL: How do you give your audience goosebumps?

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Sinek: That’s an underappreciated skill, which is the art of storytelling. When most people speak, they make it about themselves. “Let me tell you how great I am. Let me tell you about all my accomplishments.” There’s some ulterior motive — buy my book, buy my product, subscribe.

The way you connect with an audience is you have no ulterior motive other than to serve. I don’t ever think I’m right. I think I have a point of view, and I’m there to share it. I’m not looking for people to agree with me. I’m looking to offer an invitation. One of the reasons I connect with an audience is because I’m genuinely there as an act of service. I’m there for them. I’ve always had that mindset. Before I go on stage, I’ll mutter out loud to myself under my breath, “You’re here to give,” just to remind myself. It’s wonderful.

RL: Would impact company leaders benefit from seeing themselves as preachers of their cause?

Sinek: The simple answer is of course, but frequently saying that you’re an impact company is preaching to the converted, and it can potentially alienate the unconverted. Don’t talk about it so much — just do it. Just be impact, right? 

To constantly say you’re an impact company is about self-aggrandizing. It’s virtue signaling for the people who are already in the club. If you’re truly an impact person, your responsibility is to invite people who are not already in the club and to find the language, methods, and systems that are an invite rather than an attempt to convince or shame. Just do the good work, and then you’ll reach the cause that you’re preaching. Find the language that invites as many people as possible.

I don’t use the words vision or mission or cause or purpose. I use the term why. I found new language that reinforced those who already believed but that invited people who weren’t sure to take a look. The only way a movement can move is with new people.

RL: After the murder of George Floyd, you started a nonprofit called The Curve to support better leadership in policing. Why did that particular incident resonate with you so deeply?

Sinek: Multiple reasons. It’s a profoundly human problem caused by humans, and the impact is on humans. It is largely a leadership and culture problem. Yes, policing has issues in training and hiring, and those are symptomatic of the leadership and culture problems that policing suffers from. If you look at the advances in leadership theory, the military is way ahead of most corporations when it comes to embracing new ideas, but policing is about 20 years behind. Though often well-intentioned, outside pressures and legislative fixes either flat out won’t work or will have a short-term or minor impact without completely changing the culture of policing, which is what’s needed.

The only way to do it is from the inside out. I was drawn to it because it’s an unbelievably complex human problem, which interests me. I like very difficult things. And there’s already plenty of people looking for the cure for cancer. There weren’t enough people who were doing this except as outsiders looking in.

RL: You are known for being unshakably optimistic, but is a little pessimism helpful for leaders? 

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Sinek: Let’s first define optimism, which is not blind, nor is it naive positivity where you’re saying everything’s fine, everything’s good — that’s dangerous. Optimism is the undying belief that the future is bright. It allows for darkness, it allows for difficulty, it allows for frustration, it allows for anger, it allows for pessimism. But fundamentally, it is the undying belief that even if it’s a difficult time now, if we work together, we will get through this and come out stronger.

I’m cynical very often. I can be grumpy, I can be judgy, but that doesn’t affect the fact that I fundamentally believe the future is bright. 

RL: Leaders are often deeply devoted to their causes. Talk a little about your concept of cause blindness and how they can avoid that pitfall.

Sinek: We are living in leaderless times. There seems to be a distinct lack of idealism in the world. Our presidents don’t talk of world peace anymore. Go back a few years and world leaders like Ronald Reagan and John F. Kennedy literally talked about peace on earth in their inaugurations. Being driven by a higher calling is very important to inspire people and instill trust, loyalty, and innovation. 

We’re very short-termist these days. We’re driven by short-term growth or short-term impact investor pressures, and a large part of it is because of the loss of idealism.

One of the things that prevents and insulates you from cause blindness is idealism because you’re looking so far ahead to advancing a cause that is for all practical purposes unrealizable. World peace is not realistic, but it is inspiring, and we can take steps toward it. Cause blindness tends to be when we become sheltered and looking down and can’t see the forest for the trees. When you look up at the grand vision, it actually makes you more awake. 

RL: What about your term ethical fading? How can leaders make sure that ethical fading doesn’t creep in to their businesses?

Sinek: We’re all susceptible to ethical fading, and this is where strong leadership and strong culture inoculate you — if you have a truly just cause and are not simply driven by short-term financial gains. You must also spend the time to build strong teams where there’s psychological safety, and if you do these things, you are inoculated from ethical fading.

In any company, people will have stupid, unethical ideas. We all do. But in a good company, someone will go, “We’re not going to do that.” It’s not the generation of the idea; it’s whether the idea gets implemented or not. Ethical fading happens with poor leadership and an incentive structure that rewards short-termism. Good leadership and good incentive structures are the antidote.

RL: You talk about the importance of having worthy rivals, not competitors. What have you learned from making that mindset shift? 

Sinek: This is one of the most magical mindset changes that somebody can make, and it’s so easy to do. 

You’re going to learn so much by being grateful for those who do things better than you rather than trying to undermine or compete or put them down. You become more like, “Damn. They’re good.” And it makes you better because they become pacers that push you harder, right? You’ll find solutions to problems that you’ve been struggling with from a worthy rival. It makes you much more self-confident and relaxed and better at what you do. You are less distracted by the silliness of creating fake competitions where there are no finish lines.

RL: How have you implemented this mindset in your organization?

Sinek: It’s become a practice that when we’re working on something, someone will ask, “Who’s the worthy rival on this?” and we’ll go find the best of breed, the people who are more experienced, way better, and really innovative. 

RL: How does your concept of infinite-mindedness impact leadership?

Sinek: It depends where in the pecking order you are. If you’re at the top of the pecking order, you know that having just causes is really where it starts, and then adjusting the incentive structures to ensure that you and your people are building an infinite-minded company.

If you’re just in the organization, you have no say over the incentive structures or setting the vision. But you can come to work every day to be the leader you wish you had and to ensure that the people with whom you work go home every day feeling inspired, safe, and fulfilled. Infinite-mindedness is: “How do I help the people around me rise?” They’ll become better versions of themselves because I worked with them and because they worked with me.

That mindset has a massive impact on someone because you find yourself in service, which is ultimately what an infinite mindset is.

RL: As a trained ethnographer, you’ve discovered patterns about how the best leaders and organizations thrive. What are the prominent patterns you’re seeing today?

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Sinek: The big one — and I don’t say it explicitly, but all my work touches on it — is this idea of human skills. Cats don’t have to work very hard to be good at being a cat, but it turns out that people have to work pretty hard to be good at being human. We are not good listeners. We are not good at giving or receiving feedback. We’re not good at having difficult conversations, and the list goes on. The biggest pattern I’ve seen is that to be human takes work, and those who do the work become better human beings, better leaders, better friends, better spouses, better sons, better daughters, better parents.

It doesn’t matter where we learn it. If you learn to be a better listener because your relationship is struggling, you’ll bring that skill set to work. At work, we can teach people how to be better listeners because we want them to cooperate better. And then, you’ll bring that skill set home to your relationships and to your parenting because the skills are the skills. They don’t teach human skills in business school, and I think companies have the opportunity to pick up the slack.

Companies that teach human skills tend to outperform the companies that don’t. And though it’s hard to measure, I would venture a guess that companies that double down on teaching those things, I bet the people who work for them have lower divorce rates, their kids do better at school, and they have lower rates of cancer and diabetes and things like that, which are all stress-related disorders.

There are a lot of good reasons to hone our human skills. All my work is in some way, shape, or form talking about human skills. Notice I don’t use the term soft skills. I hate the term soft skills. Hard and soft are opposites, and these are not opposite skills. Hard skills I need to do my job. Human skills I need to be a better human. And I need both those things to excel in life and at work.

RL: You implemented an agreement with your friends during the COVID pandemic that none of you would cry alone. When it comes to leadership, is there anything that just has to be done alone?

Sinek: Accountability. Ultimately, if you’re the leader, the buck stops somewhere, and if a decision is made and it goes wrong, you can’t cast blame if someone on your team made the decision and you trusted that they could. You have to support them in the difficulty of repairing whatever that bad decision was. We’re not talking about negligence here. We’re talking about someone just made a bad call. Accountability is a solo affair. Everything else can be shared. Joy and congratulations can always be shared. I would never do that alone.

We see lack of accountability a lot. When people say, “The lawyer said we can’t do that,” what they’re really saying is, “I won’t take accountability for the decision that needs to be made because of the risk associated with it.” Lawyers don’t make decisions. Lawyers advise on risk. My lawyers tell me that I can’t do things all the time, and I say, “Tell me what the risks are,” and then I’ll either do it or not because I think it’s worth the risk or not. But ultimately, it’s my decision. Anybody who pushes that off is becoming a refugee from accountability.

RL: Your last book came out in 2019, and it’s 2024…

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Sinek: You sound like my publisher.

RL: When are we going to see your next book? What will it be about?


Sinek: I’m working on a book about friendship. There’s an entire industry to help us be better leaders. There’s an entire industry to help us be better parents. There’s an entire industry to help us eat better, work out better, sleep better. Yet there’s precious little to help us be better friends.

If you look at all the challenges we face in the world today, and with anxiety and depression and suicide on the rise — even our obsession with longevity — friendship is the ultimate biohack. If you learn to be a good friend, you live longer, you’re healthier, you’re less susceptible to addiction. It is the greatest thing in the world, and yet there’s so little that teaches us how to be good friends. I’ve really become quite obsessed with what it means to be a friend.

The number of us who prioritize work over friendship because our friends will understand when we cancel on them is really gross. Your work will never be there for you in hard times. Your work’s not going to save you, but your friends will. Nobody calls their work ride or die.

So many of us think we’re a good friend, but if you really peel the onion back a little bit, are you sooner to cancel on a friend for a meeting, or would you postpone a meeting for a friend? Do you know how to be there for someone when they’re struggling, or do you just try and fix their problems? Do you know how to listen to someone so that they feel heard? If a friend’s depressed, do you tell them to buck up, or do you go to their house, get into bed with them, eat ice cream, watch movies all day, and be depressed with them so that they don’t feel alone in that space?

We all have a lot to learn about how to be a better friend, so I’m writing that book with my friend Will Guidara, who wrote Unreasonable Hospitality.

RL: Can you expand on how being a better friend makes you a better leader?

Sinek: Friendship is scalable, right? Being a better leader doesn’t necessarily make you a better friend, but being a better friend definitely makes you a better leader. It is the only truly scalable skill. Being a better dad doesn’t necessarily make you a better friend, but being a better friend makes you a better dad.

RL: Are you good at friendship? Or is it a self-identified weakness that led you down this journey?

Sinek: Like everybody, I thought I was a good friend, but I still have some stuff that I’m learning. I’ll give you an example. I thought I was a great listener — until I took a listening class. I learned that I am an absolutely fantastic listener with people I will never see again for the rest of my life, but with my friends, I was appalling. When my friends would say, “You’re such a bad listener,” I’d be like, “Do you know what I do for a living?” Turns out I was crap. I was useless. And so I called my friend and said, “Remember when you told me I’m a bad listener? Turns out you were right.”

There’s a lot to learn. I’m definitely a better friend now than I have been in the past because I am learning more about human skills. Managing a friendship is difficult and requires a lot of intentionality. 

RL: Circling back to that big birthday, how would you characterize your first 50 years? How do you envision your next 50?

Sinek: It’s all a magical journey. I’m in life for the fun of it. Some of it is easy, some of it is hard, some of it is clear, some of it is foggy. But all of it goes better when I do it with others. “Remember that time…” is a much more fun conversation than, “Let me tell you what I did.”

And any kind of stress is endurable with others around us. It’s a journey with others. We all make the mistake sometimes of forgetting that we are surrounded by people who love us. They’re there to help us if we just ask. So the first 50 years has been learning those lessons, quite frankly, that I’m not alone. It’s OK to ask for help. It’s OK to accept it. It doesn’t make me dumb or weak. In fact, it makes me stronger. It makes me more confident. It makes me more grateful, more humble.

The next part of my life, however long it is, is the joy of getting to live with purpose, to take all those lessons and actually do it all. 

RL: What’s your message for the Real Leaders community?

Sinek: The best thing that this audience has is each other. I hope they spend time in this community without their phones, without their computers, without their emails. I hope they talk to each other about what works and doesn’t work.

I cannot emphasize enough the value of community when doing something difficult and bucking the system of how capitalism has worked for the past 30–40 years. It’s the status quo that is working against us. And even though it’s trendy for every company now to have a purpose on their website, go compare the decisions they make to the statements on their websites, and in many cases it’s just marketing. How are you treating your employees? You can’t call yourself an impact company and not practice good leadership or learn good leadership or teach your people good leadership. 

Just go do the good work. Do the work that demonstrates the impact that you’re having because the people who want to come work for you in this new generation of employees, they care about that stuff.

RL: What companies are your gold standard when it comes to leadership and impact?

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Sinek: I love Patagonia. They demonstrate it in their bottom line. They demonstrate it in the way they treat people. They demonstrate it in the way they talk about the impact they’re having on the communities in which they operate. They don’t use any euphemisms — they just do it. They just get it done, and they’re open, and they’re accountable. They still do damage, and they don’t recycle everything, and they’re super honest about it. We should copy their model.

Airbnb is also pretty good, and Brian Chesky is open about being an infinite-minded company. All of them have work to do. None of them are perfect. They all have blind spots. They all have pressures. But the way that Airbnb treated its people during COVID when they had to have layoffs was a model of how to do it. They were so generous. They set up a page on their website and uploaded everybody’s resume who lost their job, and the day they got laid off, you could hire them. That’s so much more than just saying, “We care about our people.” This is a company that even cared about them after they let them go. They didn’t just let them go — they helped them land on their feet. That, to me, is impact. 

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From Child Farmworker to Keynote Speaker

These are my top lessons in leadership and resilience.


By Ovidilio Vásquez


In this fast-moving world, leadership must be visionary, resilient, and purpose-driven, creating social value and impact in every aspect of business. As a keynote speaker, I share the lessons I learned as a child farmworker in Central America with leaders across the United States.

Building the Foundation


Born in the ‘90s in a small Central American village, I grew up without electricity until I was 8. We farmed all our food — beans, cassava, plantains, corn, and other crops — and worked hard. I learned about grit and the importance of working diligently from sunrise to sunset. After arriving in the United States as a teenager, I learned English because it was a great equalizer for education and work. There were so many obstacles to learning this language, but it was paramount for me to learn it.

After that, I immersed myself in formal education, graduating from high school in three years while working a graveyard shift to support my family back home. These years developed the ability to focus amid distraction and tiredness and expanded the work ethic — a family trait I learned from my grandmother — that would define me. I earned a bachelor’s degree in management within two years and was accepted into Harvard Business School Online. Hard work and a belief in one’s potential can propel a person beyond what seems conceivable.

The Power of Education and Technology


My career as a keynote speaker has taken me to some of the globe’s most forward-thinking companies — Apple, Tesla, Salesforce, and Uber — where I witnessed bleeding-edge product development, revolutionary approaches to workforce management, data analytics, and real-time human-machine collaboration. Through these experiences, I learned how technology can make the world a better place while cultivating a culture of innovation.

In 2022 I released a mobile app that would serve as the hub for $5 million in available scholarships for underserved and underprivileged students to help them build a bridge between potential and opportunity through technology.

Resilience in Leadership


Now, leaders are expected to be resilient and develop resilience by consistently learning from life’s challenges and opportunities. My career followed an unplanned trajectory that blended a fast-paced educational track with misfortune, and finally with a family. As a husband juggling my business, three children, and a desire for lifelong learning, I wondered how resilience could be taught to the next generation.

Fostering a resilient culture is an essential task for any current leader. As I learned in Resilient Leadership — A Case Study of Sir Winston Churchill by A. Kishore Kumar and K. Ajay Kumar, resilient leaders push their teams to master challenges, build strength from failures, and increase team performance.

Sowing Seeds for a Better World

My work contributes to the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals through youth motivational speaking, systemic thinking, and innovation that drives social impact, especially in schools. My highest purpose — to plant seeds of hope — contributes to SDG 4: Quality Education. Innovation and technology can scale solutions and impact people’s lives and businesses.

When redefining business as usual, the leader will ultimately catalyze more effective and sustainable societal development. Concurrently, they will ensure that the company is well- positioned to be more resilient, more reputable, and more resourceful over the long term. The success of a company is ultimately tied to contributing to a more successful and fulfilled world.

Embracing the Future


From farmworker to national keynote speaker, I have witnessed firsthand how education combined with grit, resilience, and enlightened leadership can transform not only myself but our planet and the pervasive social challenges we face. Let’s share this vision and believe that better leaders will create a better world.

As we become adept at learning, adapting, and regenerating, executives must embrace sustainability to ensure the long-term well-being of their organizations, communities, and humanity. We are ready to lead.

Ovidilio “Ovi” Vásquez is a social entrepreneur, author, and national motivational keynote speaker who champions the profound transformative impact leaders have on our next generation. He made the 2023 Real Leaders Top Keynote Speakers’ Ones to Watch list.

From Child Farmworker to Keynote Speaker

These are my top lessons in leadership and resilience.


By Ovidilio Vásquez


In this fast-moving world, leadership must be visionary, resilient, and purpose-driven, creating social value and impact in every aspect of business. As a keynote speaker, I share the lessons I learned as a child farmworker in Central America with leaders across the United States.

Building the Foundation


Born in the ‘90s in a small Central American village, I grew up without electricity until I was 8. We farmed all our food — beans, cassava, plantains, corn, and other crops — and worked hard. I learned about grit and the importance of working diligently from sunrise to sunset. After arriving in the United States as a teenager, I learned English because it was a great equalizer for education and work. There were so many obstacles to learning this language, but it was paramount for me to learn it.

After that, I immersed myself in formal education, graduating from high school in three years while working a graveyard shift to support my family back home. These years developed the ability to focus amid distraction and tiredness and expanded the work ethic — a family trait I learned from my grandmother — that would define me. I earned a bachelor’s degree in management within two years and was accepted into Harvard Business School Online. Hard work and a belief in one’s potential can propel a person beyond what seems conceivable.

The Power of Education and Technology


My career as a keynote speaker has taken me to some of the globe’s most forward-thinking companies — Apple, Tesla, Salesforce, and Uber — where I witnessed bleeding-edge product development, revolutionary approaches to workforce management, data analytics, and real-time human-machine collaboration. Through these experiences, I learned how technology can make the world a better place while cultivating a culture of innovation.

In 2022 I released a mobile app that would serve as the hub for $5 million in available scholarships for underserved and underprivileged students to help them build a bridge between potential and opportunity through technology.

Resilience in Leadership


Now, leaders are expected to be resilient and develop resilience by consistently learning from life’s challenges and opportunities. My career followed an unplanned trajectory that blended a fast-paced educational track with misfortune, and finally with a family. As a husband juggling my business, three children, and a desire for lifelong learning, I wondered how resilience could be taught to the next generation.

Fostering a resilient culture is an essential task for any current leader. As I learned in Resilient Leadership — A Case Study of Sir Winston Churchill by A. Kishore Kumar and K. Ajay Kumar, resilient leaders push their teams to master challenges, build strength from failures, and increase team performance.

Sowing Seeds for a Better World

My work contributes to the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals through youth motivational speaking, systemic thinking, and innovation that drives social impact, especially in schools. My highest purpose — to plant seeds of hope — contributes to SDG 4: Quality Education. Innovation and technology can scale solutions and impact people’s lives and businesses.

When redefining business as usual, the leader will ultimately catalyze more effective and sustainable societal development. Concurrently, they will ensure that the company is well- positioned to be more resilient, more reputable, and more resourceful over the long term. The success of a company is ultimately tied to contributing to a more successful and fulfilled world.

Embracing the Future


From farmworker to national keynote speaker, I have witnessed firsthand how education combined with grit, resilience, and enlightened leadership can transform not only myself but our planet and the pervasive social challenges we face. Let’s share this vision and believe that better leaders will create a better world.

As we become adept at learning, adapting, and regenerating, executives must embrace sustainability to ensure the long-term well-being of their organizations, communities, and humanity. We are ready to lead.

Ovidilio “Ovi” Vásquez is a social entrepreneur, author, and national motivational keynote speaker who champions the profound transformative impact leaders have on our next generation. He made the 2023 Real Leaders Top Keynote Speakers’ Ones to Watch list.

Water Safety Warrior Miren Oca

Here’s how my swim school surpassed 2.5 million lessons in 30 years and became employee-owned.


By Miren Oca



My journey with Ocaquatics Swim School began with a passion for water safety. As a swim instructor and single mother of a young child, I was alarmed by the high rates of drowning, especially in children in my South Florida community. But I didn’t view the rates as merely statistics — I saw them as preventable tragedies. This set me on a mission to teach families to love swimming and become safer, more comfortable, and more responsible around water. At Ocaquatics, we are proud of our work to help significantly reduce drowning rates through high-quality water safety and swim education. 

I started the business three decades ago by teaching swimming lessons in backyard home pools and eventually leased locations like country clubs and hotel pools. As the business grew, I started hiring part-time team members. The more people I hired, the more the business continued to grow. I realized that I needed to develop a business model and operating philosophy. We also needed to address the weather challenge of working solely outside because it was negatively impacting our ability to consistently teach our swimming classes. 

So after 15 years of teaching in outdoor leased locations, I decided that I was going to need purpose-built indoor facilities. The change was a big, bold, scary move that required significant capital investment, but I realized that moving to indoor locations and implementing more sustainable practices could affect greater change. The expansion allowed us to teach year-round, which was very different in South Florida at the time. It also allowed us to make a greater impact and reach more people to make children and families safer around water. 

Investing in Our Employees

With this new growth, we were also able to create a more sustainable model. We added a second part to our mission specifically dedicated to our team members. We committed to helping them grow within a framework of social and environmental responsibility so that we could expand our school in a sustainable way and make a bigger impact in our world.

We realized that we could not honor our mission to our families without a strong commitment to our team members. We wanted to be a workplace that cared about our people and invested in their development. We made sure our team had fair wages, good benefits, and personal and professional growth opportunities. We grow our team from within, helping them learn the skills they need to lead in a culture that is supportive and inclusive. 

We discovered that our team members really enjoy working with an organization that is making a difference in the community. As a certified B Corp, we teach our team members about social and environmental responsibility and how a business can be a force for good. We ask our team to help us designate our charitable contributions by making donations to the charity of their choice on work anniversaries, birthdays, and key milestones. We offer paid community service time and paid time off to vote in elections. We help our community and environment with all of these initiatives and are excited to continue doing them.

Expanding Our Operations

Between 2009 and 2019, Ocaquatics underwent significant expansion. We built five new, dedicated, indoor facilities and remained true to our mission for our families and our team members. Expanding our operations required navigating financial uncertainties, regulatory landscapes, and building a team that shared our values and mission. These challenges taught me the importance of resilience, adaptability, and the value of community support. 

Our greatest milestones include celebrating Ocaquatics’ 30th anniversary and transitioning to a 100% employee-owned company through an employee ownership trust. These achievements are not just markers of success; they are affirmations of our mission’s impact. We now have 165 team members between five year-round, indoor, warm-water locations where we have taught over 2.5 million lessons. 

As we embrace our new identity as a 100% employee-owned company, I am filled with optimism about the future. This transition marks a new chapter for Ocaquatics, with every employee-owner playing a pivotal role in our journey forward. Together, we are committed to deepening our impact on water safety and swim education, leveraging our collective creativity, dedication, and passion. This collaborative approach will ensure that Ocaquatics continues to thrive, making a difference in every life we touch.

To my fellow impact CEOs and those aspiring to make a difference, my hope is that our journey serves as an inspiration. The path to making an impactful change is paved with collaboration, dedication, and a deep sense of purpose. Embrace your values, cherish your team, and remember that the most sustainable path forward is one walked together. We are stronger together. I encourage anyone interested in this space to join a group of like-minded, purpose-driven businesses, such as those that participate in the Real Leaders Membership.

Water Safety Warrior Miren Oca

Here’s how my swim school surpassed 2.5 million lessons in 30 years and became employee-owned.


By Miren Oca



My journey with Ocaquatics Swim School began with a passion for water safety. As a swim instructor and single mother of a young child, I was alarmed by the high rates of drowning, especially in children in my South Florida community. But I didn’t view the rates as merely statistics — I saw them as preventable tragedies. This set me on a mission to teach families to love swimming and become safer, more comfortable, and more responsible around water. At Ocaquatics, we are proud of our work to help significantly reduce drowning rates through high-quality water safety and swim education. 

I started the business three decades ago by teaching swimming lessons in backyard home pools and eventually leased locations like country clubs and hotel pools. As the business grew, I started hiring part-time team members. The more people I hired, the more the business continued to grow. I realized that I needed to develop a business model and operating philosophy. We also needed to address the weather challenge of working solely outside because it was negatively impacting our ability to consistently teach our swimming classes. 

So after 15 years of teaching in outdoor leased locations, I decided that I was going to need purpose-built indoor facilities. The change was a big, bold, scary move that required significant capital investment, but I realized that moving to indoor locations and implementing more sustainable practices could affect greater change. The expansion allowed us to teach year-round, which was very different in South Florida at the time. It also allowed us to make a greater impact and reach more people to make children and families safer around water. 

Investing in Our Employees

With this new growth, we were also able to create a more sustainable model. We added a second part to our mission specifically dedicated to our team members. We committed to helping them grow within a framework of social and environmental responsibility so that we could expand our school in a sustainable way and make a bigger impact in our world.

We realized that we could not honor our mission to our families without a strong commitment to our team members. We wanted to be a workplace that cared about our people and invested in their development. We made sure our team had fair wages, good benefits, and personal and professional growth opportunities. We grow our team from within, helping them learn the skills they need to lead in a culture that is supportive and inclusive. 

We discovered that our team members really enjoy working with an organization that is making a difference in the community. As a certified B Corp, we teach our team members about social and environmental responsibility and how a business can be a force for good. We ask our team to help us designate our charitable contributions by making donations to the charity of their choice on work anniversaries, birthdays, and key milestones. We offer paid community service time and paid time off to vote in elections. We help our community and environment with all of these initiatives and are excited to continue doing them.

Expanding Our Operations

Between 2009 and 2019, Ocaquatics underwent significant expansion. We built five new, dedicated, indoor facilities and remained true to our mission for our families and our team members. Expanding our operations required navigating financial uncertainties, regulatory landscapes, and building a team that shared our values and mission. These challenges taught me the importance of resilience, adaptability, and the value of community support. 

Our greatest milestones include celebrating Ocaquatics’ 30th anniversary and transitioning to a 100% employee-owned company through an employee ownership trust. These achievements are not just markers of success; they are affirmations of our mission’s impact. We now have 165 team members between five year-round, indoor, warm-water locations where we have taught over 2.5 million lessons. 

As we embrace our new identity as a 100% employee-owned company, I am filled with optimism about the future. This transition marks a new chapter for Ocaquatics, with every employee-owner playing a pivotal role in our journey forward. Together, we are committed to deepening our impact on water safety and swim education, leveraging our collective creativity, dedication, and passion. This collaborative approach will ensure that Ocaquatics continues to thrive, making a difference in every life we touch.

To my fellow impact CEOs and those aspiring to make a difference, my hope is that our journey serves as an inspiration. The path to making an impactful change is paved with collaboration, dedication, and a deep sense of purpose. Embrace your values, cherish your team, and remember that the most sustainable path forward is one walked together. We are stronger together. I encourage anyone interested in this space to join a group of like-minded, purpose-driven businesses, such as those that participate in the Real Leaders Membership.

Kakariki Capital: Decarbonizing the Planet

Investing in carbon and environmental projects and assets could be key to moving the needle forward.


By Real Leaders

Kakariki Capital is on a mission to decarbonize the planet.

The privately owned, Australia-based company invests in carbon and environmental projects and assets — a new, rapidly expanding sector — from early stage pre-development to de-risked. Kakariki’s philosophy and purpose are reflected in its name, which refers to the color green in Maori and is also a parakeet native to New Zealand fighting to survive despite climate change.

Founder and Chief Investment Officer Izzy Jensen applies close to a decade of experience leading research and origination in carbon and environmental markets to guide Kakariki’s investments in environmental solutions aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. Core to its investment thesis is that carbon credits are crucial to achieving net-zero targets, and carbon credits make other global challenges bankable, such as biodiversity. Kakariki looks to identify assets that are fundamentally undervalued due to the complex nature of the carbon market. 

“While value is our major driver, investing behind our values is our passion,” Jensen says. Thus, Kakariki aims for exposure to reputable project developers, impactful projects for the environment, and projects that improve the lives of stakeholders. The organization manages individual management agreements, the wholesale Kakariki Carbon Fund 1.0, and the Kakariki Land Generation Fund.

Carbon Fund 1.0


Kakariki’s Carbon Fund 1.0 is the first fund of its kind in the Australian market that takes a long-term view of carbon credits and related assets. The wholesale, open-ended Australian unit trust invests in high-quality carbon assets and offsets. While the fund focuses on nature-based projects in the international market, it also invests in Australian and compliance market assets.

One key example, Verity Nature is a significant investment in Kakariki’s inaugural fund. As an integrated carbon project developer operating in Australia and East Africa, Verity Nature not only focuses on carbon emissions reduction, but it also prioritizes positive social, cultural, environmental, and economic impacts within the communities in which it engages. Its projects create employment opportunities, support local communities, and generate wealth through wages, taxes, and business ventures while simultaneously removing carbon emissions and restoring biodiversity. 

Land Generation Fund


Kakariki recently launched its own land generation fund to acquire and steward land assets with substantial carbon sequestration potential. By employing innovative practices and technologies, it aims to maximize carbon offset generation while fostering biodiversity conservation.

“This will have a huge impact on restoring cleared and degraded land and enhancing biodiversity,” Jensen says. The fund’s overarching goal is to promote the harmonious coexistence of agricultural and carbon farming with a targeted distribution yield of 6–7% per annum, offering investors the option to generate income from cash, Australian carbon credit units, or other environmental credits with a targeted 12–14% total internal rate of return. 

Looking ahead, Jensen says there’s no time to waste when it comes to decarbonizing the planet. “In the imperfect landscape of carbon and environmental markets, perfection is a luxury our climate and planet cannot afford,” Jensen says. “It’s imperative to act now to simultaneously reduce emissions and offset our environmental impact. Let us harness every available tool at our disposal to forge a sustainable path forward for the sake of our planet and the generations to come.” 

Recognition for Collaboration


Kakariki earned a 2024 Real Leaders Impact Award for Best Collaboration with Impact Outfit. Impact Outfit, also based in Australia, supports family offices, foundations, and funds to use business and capital for positive impact. It works with clients on strategy and advisory, stakeholder engagement, and experience design and curation. The partnership advanced both companies’ sustainability goals while fostering mutual growth and success. 

When Kakariki was a newly established carbon fund, it sought guidance from Impact Outfit to maximize its impact and reach and to create and nurture sustainable relationships with investors and family offices. Leveraging Impact Outfit’s expertise in the impact investment space, the collaboration enabled Kakariki to identify high-impact investment opportunities and build a network of values-aligned potential partners.

“The collaboration was meaningful to us because when Kakariki first started, we didn’t really know what the impact space was,” Jensen says. “We just saw this as a financial opportunity that obviously did good. Then we learned that there was this whole group of investors and this way of thinking about having a positive impact.”

Conversely, Impact Outfit gained experience and exposure through its partnership with Kakariki. By working closely with Jensen, Impact Outfit expanded its portfolio of impactful clients and built expertise in a nascent and important new market. It gained firsthand insights into the complexities of carbon offsetting and sustainable investment, enhancing its ability to advise clients on navigating similar challenges.

Kakariki Capital: Decarbonizing the Planet

Investing in carbon and environmental projects and assets could be key to moving the needle forward.


By Real Leaders

Kakariki Capital is on a mission to decarbonize the planet.

The privately owned, Australia-based company invests in carbon and environmental projects and assets — a new, rapidly expanding sector — from early stage pre-development to de-risked. Kakariki’s philosophy and purpose are reflected in its name, which refers to the color green in Maori and is also a parakeet native to New Zealand fighting to survive despite climate change.

Founder and Chief Investment Officer Izzy Jensen applies close to a decade of experience leading research and origination in carbon and environmental markets to guide Kakariki’s investments in environmental solutions aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals. Core to its investment thesis is that carbon credits are crucial to achieving net-zero targets, and carbon credits make other global challenges bankable, such as biodiversity. Kakariki looks to identify assets that are fundamentally undervalued due to the complex nature of the carbon market. 

“While value is our major driver, investing behind our values is our passion,” Jensen says. Thus, Kakariki aims for exposure to reputable project developers, impactful projects for the environment, and projects that improve the lives of stakeholders. The organization manages individual management agreements, the wholesale Kakariki Carbon Fund 1.0, and the Kakariki Land Generation Fund.

Carbon Fund 1.0


Kakariki’s Carbon Fund 1.0 is the first fund of its kind in the Australian market that takes a long-term view of carbon credits and related assets. The wholesale, open-ended Australian unit trust invests in high-quality carbon assets and offsets. While the fund focuses on nature-based projects in the international market, it also invests in Australian and compliance market assets.

One key example, Verity Nature is a significant investment in Kakariki’s inaugural fund. As an integrated carbon project developer operating in Australia and East Africa, Verity Nature not only focuses on carbon emissions reduction, but it also prioritizes positive social, cultural, environmental, and economic impacts within the communities in which it engages. Its projects create employment opportunities, support local communities, and generate wealth through wages, taxes, and business ventures while simultaneously removing carbon emissions and restoring biodiversity. 

Land Generation Fund


Kakariki recently launched its own land generation fund to acquire and steward land assets with substantial carbon sequestration potential. By employing innovative practices and technologies, it aims to maximize carbon offset generation while fostering biodiversity conservation.

“This will have a huge impact on restoring cleared and degraded land and enhancing biodiversity,” Jensen says. The fund’s overarching goal is to promote the harmonious coexistence of agricultural and carbon farming with a targeted distribution yield of 6–7% per annum, offering investors the option to generate income from cash, Australian carbon credit units, or other environmental credits with a targeted 12–14% total internal rate of return. 

Looking ahead, Jensen says there’s no time to waste when it comes to decarbonizing the planet. “In the imperfect landscape of carbon and environmental markets, perfection is a luxury our climate and planet cannot afford,” Jensen says. “It’s imperative to act now to simultaneously reduce emissions and offset our environmental impact. Let us harness every available tool at our disposal to forge a sustainable path forward for the sake of our planet and the generations to come.” 

Recognition for Collaboration


Kakariki earned a 2024 Real Leaders Impact Award for Best Collaboration with Impact Outfit. Impact Outfit, also based in Australia, supports family offices, foundations, and funds to use business and capital for positive impact. It works with clients on strategy and advisory, stakeholder engagement, and experience design and curation. The partnership advanced both companies’ sustainability goals while fostering mutual growth and success. 

When Kakariki was a newly established carbon fund, it sought guidance from Impact Outfit to maximize its impact and reach and to create and nurture sustainable relationships with investors and family offices. Leveraging Impact Outfit’s expertise in the impact investment space, the collaboration enabled Kakariki to identify high-impact investment opportunities and build a network of values-aligned potential partners.

“The collaboration was meaningful to us because when Kakariki first started, we didn’t really know what the impact space was,” Jensen says. “We just saw this as a financial opportunity that obviously did good. Then we learned that there was this whole group of investors and this way of thinking about having a positive impact.”

Conversely, Impact Outfit gained experience and exposure through its partnership with Kakariki. By working closely with Jensen, Impact Outfit expanded its portfolio of impactful clients and built expertise in a nascent and important new market. It gained firsthand insights into the complexities of carbon offsetting and sustainable investment, enhancing its ability to advise clients on navigating similar challenges.

From Farmworker to Keynote Speaker: Lessons in Leadership and Resilience

From Farmworker to Innovator: Lessons in Leadership and Resilience


By Ovidilio Vasquez


In this fast-moving world, leadership must be visionary, resilient and purpose-driven, creating social value and impact in every aspect of business I now apply the lessons I learned as a child farmworker in Central America, to my work with leaders across the United States.

The Early Years: Building the Foundation

Born in the 90s in a small Central American village, I grew up without electricity, until I was eight. We grew all our own food; beans, yuca “cassava”, plantains, corn, and other crops, and worked hard – really hard, always. I learned so much about grit, and the importance of working hard from sunrise to sunset. Later, after arriving to the United States, as a teenager, I learned English because it was a great equalizer – for education, for working life. There were so many obstacles to learning this language, but it was paramount for me to learn it.

Fast-Tracking Education: A Testament to Determination

After that, I knew I had to change things, so I immersed myself into education, graduating from high school in three years after starting and working a graveyard shift to support my family back home. These years forcefully implanted the ability to focus amid distraction and tiredness, and put in place the work ethic that would define me as a family trait I learned from my grandmother. After that, I earned a Bachelors Degree in Management within two years, and was also accepted into Harvard Business School Online. Hard work and a belief in one’s potential can propel a person beyond what seems conceivable.

The Power of Education and Technology

My career as a Keynote Speaker, has taken me to some of the globe’s most forward-thinking companies – Apple, Tesla, Salesforce, and Uber – where I witnessed bleeding-edge product development, revolutionary approaches to workforce management, data analytics and real-time human-machine collaboration. Through these experiences, I learned how technology can make the world a better place while cultivating a culture of innovation.

In 2022, I released a mobile app that would serve as the hub for $5 million in available scholarships for underserved and underprivileged students to help them build a bridge between potential and opportunity through technology, after learning about my story, based on my own experiences.

Resilience in Leadership: Navigating Complex Challenges

Now, leaders are also expected to be resilient and develop resilience by consistently learning from a multitude of life’s challenges and opportunities. My career followed an unplanned trajectory that blended a fast-paced educational track with misfortune, and finally with a family. Standing there, as a husband, juggling with my business, my three children, education for life-long learning, I wondered how resilience could possibly be taught to our next generation.

Fostering a resilient culture is an essential task for any current leader. Resilient leaders push their teams to master challenges, build strength from failures, and increase team performance.

(Churchill et al.)

Sustainable Leadership for a Better World

My work contributes to the UN Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) – through my youth motivational speaking work, systemic thinking and innovation that drives social impact, specially in schools. My personal highest purpose, to ‘Plant Seeds of Hope’, contributes to SDG 4: Quality Education. Innovation and technology can scale solutions and consequently impact people’s lives and businesses.

When re-base lining business as usual, the leader will ultimately catalyze more effective and sustainable societal development. Concurrently, he or she will ensure that the company is well-positioned to be more resilient, more reputable and more resourced over the long-term. Indeed, the success of a company is ultimately tied to the achievement of a more successful and fulfilled world.

Case Studies and Real-World Examples

Global Tech Company: A global tech company lowered its carbon footprint and invested more in thermoelectric this year. This then strengthens their brand image and the connection with our customers.
(Boyle)

Restricted to just one non-profit. Confined to outdated cultural stereotypes. Solar-powered electronics startup: Using green technology, this nonprofit transformed a community’s living conditions. The impact: Not only did they power local villages, the tech also provided Bandwidth to children, enabling them to learn continuously.

(benevity)

Conclusion: Embracing the Future of Leadership

From farmworker to National Keynote Speaker, I have witnessed firsthand how education combined with grit, resilience and enlightened leadership can transform not only myself, but our planet and the pervasive social challenges we face. Let’s share this vision and believe that better leaders will create a better world. 

As we become adept at learning, adapting, and regenerating, executives must embrace sustainability to ensure the long-term well-being of their organizations, communities, and humanity. We are ready to lead.

From Farmworker to Keynote Speaker: Lessons in Leadership and Resilience

From Farmworker to Innovator: Lessons in Leadership and Resilience


By Ovidilio Vasquez


In this fast-moving world, leadership must be visionary, resilient and purpose-driven, creating social value and impact in every aspect of business I now apply the lessons I learned as a child farmworker in Central America, to my work with leaders across the United States.

The Early Years: Building the Foundation

Born in the 90s in a small Central American village, I grew up without electricity, until I was eight. We grew all our own food; beans, yuca “cassava”, plantains, corn, and other crops, and worked hard – really hard, always. I learned so much about grit, and the importance of working hard from sunrise to sunset. Later, after arriving to the United States, as a teenager, I learned English because it was a great equalizer – for education, for working life. There were so many obstacles to learning this language, but it was paramount for me to learn it.

Fast-Tracking Education: A Testament to Determination

After that, I knew I had to change things, so I immersed myself into education, graduating from high school in three years after starting and working a graveyard shift to support my family back home. These years forcefully implanted the ability to focus amid distraction and tiredness, and put in place the work ethic that would define me as a family trait I learned from my grandmother. After that, I earned a Bachelors Degree in Management within two years, and was also accepted into Harvard Business School Online. Hard work and a belief in one’s potential can propel a person beyond what seems conceivable.

The Power of Education and Technology

My career as a Keynote Speaker, has taken me to some of the globe’s most forward-thinking companies – Apple, Tesla, Salesforce, and Uber – where I witnessed bleeding-edge product development, revolutionary approaches to workforce management, data analytics and real-time human-machine collaboration. Through these experiences, I learned how technology can make the world a better place while cultivating a culture of innovation.

In 2022, I released a mobile app that would serve as the hub for $5 million in available scholarships for underserved and underprivileged students to help them build a bridge between potential and opportunity through technology, after learning about my story, based on my own experiences.

Resilience in Leadership: Navigating Complex Challenges

Now, leaders are also expected to be resilient and develop resilience by consistently learning from a multitude of life’s challenges and opportunities. My career followed an unplanned trajectory that blended a fast-paced educational track with misfortune, and finally with a family. Standing there, as a husband, juggling with my business, my three children, education for life-long learning, I wondered how resilience could possibly be taught to our next generation.

Fostering a resilient culture is an essential task for any current leader. Resilient leaders push their teams to master challenges, build strength from failures, and increase team performance.

(Churchill et al.)

Sustainable Leadership for a Better World

My work contributes to the UN Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) – through my youth motivational speaking work, systemic thinking and innovation that drives social impact, specially in schools. My personal highest purpose, to ‘Plant Seeds of Hope’, contributes to SDG 4: Quality Education. Innovation and technology can scale solutions and consequently impact people’s lives and businesses.

When re-base lining business as usual, the leader will ultimately catalyze more effective and sustainable societal development. Concurrently, he or she will ensure that the company is well-positioned to be more resilient, more reputable and more resourced over the long-term. Indeed, the success of a company is ultimately tied to the achievement of a more successful and fulfilled world.

Case Studies and Real-World Examples

Global Tech Company: A global tech company lowered its carbon footprint and invested more in thermoelectric this year. This then strengthens their brand image and the connection with our customers.
(Boyle)

Restricted to just one non-profit. Confined to outdated cultural stereotypes. Solar-powered electronics startup: Using green technology, this nonprofit transformed a community’s living conditions. The impact: Not only did they power local villages, the tech also provided Bandwidth to children, enabling them to learn continuously.

(benevity)

Conclusion: Embracing the Future of Leadership

From farmworker to National Keynote Speaker, I have witnessed firsthand how education combined with grit, resilience and enlightened leadership can transform not only myself, but our planet and the pervasive social challenges we face. Let’s share this vision and believe that better leaders will create a better world. 

As we become adept at learning, adapting, and regenerating, executives must embrace sustainability to ensure the long-term well-being of their organizations, communities, and humanity. We are ready to lead.

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